Are you ready to revolutionize your leadership style? Picture this: lessons are drawn from popular movies, and applied to the world of leadership. Our guest, Joe Lalonde, an award-winning leadership blogger, has taken this innovative approach, transforming how leaders communicate with their teams. We explore his journey in youth leadership and the impacts of technology on youth ministry, not forgetting the lasting need for meaningful human connection in these digital times.
Embrace the art of the pivot! An inspiring example comes from the legendary switch of Nike, from running to basketball shoes. We delve into the audacity of Nike executive, Sonny Vircar, as he pursued Michael Jordan despite the trending chase for other stars. It's a riveting tale that underscores the essence of accepting victories and losses and, most importantly, turning setbacks into growth opportunities.
Lastly, let's talk about failure – not as the end of the road but as a stepping stone to success. Joe discusses the difficulties when leaders and employees are not on the same wavelength. We also touch on the significance of a strong, clear digital presence and how Joe harnesses his website to mentor his coaching clients. Tune in and get ready to discover how social media and email can be used effectively to forge meaningful relationships. Join us on this exciting journey of learning, growing, and leading better!
Are you ready to revolutionize your leadership style? Picture this: lessons are drawn from popular movies, and applied to the world of leadership. Our guest, Joe Lalonde, an award-winning leadership blogger, has taken this innovative approach, transforming how leaders communicate with their teams. We explore his journey in youth leadership and the impacts of technology on youth ministry, not forgetting the lasting need for meaningful human connection in these digital times.
Embrace the art of the pivot! An inspiring example comes from the legendary switch of Nike, from running to basketball shoes. We delve into the audacity of Nike executive, Sonny Vircar, as he pursued Michael Jordan despite the trending chase for other stars. It's a riveting tale that underscores the essence of accepting victories and losses and, most importantly, turning setbacks into growth opportunities.
Lastly, let's talk about failure – not as the end of the road but as a stepping stone to success. Joe discusses the difficulties when leaders and employees are not on the same wavelength. We also touch on the significance of a strong, clear digital presence and how Joe harnesses his website to mentor his coaching clients. Tune in and get ready to discover how social media and email can be used effectively to forge meaningful relationships. Join us on this exciting journey of learning, growing, and leading better!
Ryan Dement from Chasing Financial Freedom podcast. I hope you guys are having a great day today on the podcast And I'm going to try not to butcher. His last name is Joe Lalone And he's an award-winning leadership blogger. He helps leaders understand how to use movies to improve their leadership skills and abilities. Joseph, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:
Hey, ryan, thanks for having me here. I'm really excited. You got the name almost right. You know it's Lalonde, there was a little extra accent, but you know that's okay. The last name's hard to say. But yeah, like you said, i use movies to teach leadership principles and to help leaders and business professionals interact with their teams better by speaking the language of their people.
Speaker 1:
That's awesome. So before we get into what you're doing and who you're helping, a little bit of your background and who you are.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, so I've been in the leadership world for 15 years doing the blog, but before that I was. I am a youth leader with a youth group. It's changed over the years, yeah, so I just help people become, become their better selves.
Speaker 1:
So what got you into the youth leadership and being able to help others?
Speaker 2:
Well, it was that natural progression of I was in the youth group. The youth pastor there saw potential And he liked to promote from within, so he asked me to be on the leadership team. I stepped up and it's been a thing for me ever since. That's goodness, it's 2023. So it's been 22, 23 years of helping with youth groups.
Speaker 1:
That's awesome, that's got to be fulfilling for you.
Speaker 2:
Oh, it isn't as crazy because you, youth ministry can be so frustrating because of the fruit. I always like to tell people those in youth ministry are like seed scatters They plant, they water and you may never see the fruit. There's because I've been in the ministry for so long. I've seen so many cool things happen. Walking down the street 10, 15 years after a student's out of youth ministry, That's when you start to see the fruit of the work. Had students come up to me, be like man. You don't know what your work has done in my life, But you and the other people you've had totally changed. Oh, we were total screw offs and jerks, you guys, when we were younger. So are these kids at risk.
Speaker 1:
What brings them into this is, or is it, church At risk. What brings them into this is, or is it, church base. What is it So?
Speaker 2:
that's the fun thing about youth ministry It goes between the two. The previous had a very large church population of youth students But there was a time when we had goodness 120, 130 students And probably a hundred of those were, I'd say, more at risk, less church, maybe D church, And they had no clue about the church. But there was one student that caught fire and started inviting everybody at her school And, like the youth group, just blew up. We had everybody from job x to drug addict, the kid next door. That was a church student And to be honest, that was my favorite time of youth ministry was when we had this huge mix And we were introducing church, church kids to un-church kids and un-church kids to the church kids. Seeing that through buddies, really the same. There's just some of us with a hope.
Speaker 1:
That's pretty powerful, especially in today's world and where we go with all that. And I'm not trying to go either side, but it's just. Our future is in younger generations and being able to help them find their way is critical. And it doesn't matter if you're religious or not, or right or left, i don't care about that, it's just they need to have the skills to be set up for success And it just seems like it's missing. Just, it's my best way to describe it. It's missing. No, i agree.
Speaker 2:
It's so sad And I think we hear it with every generation that the older generations take a look at the younger generation and just go what's wrong with these kids? What's wrong with these kids? Yeah, i didn't do that when I was their age And, honestly, if we were to be truthful, did the stupid stuff that we're like recommending these kids for today. It's just we forget because we don't look back, we don't remember what we have to, and now, today, these kids have social media and digital technologies to see, reminding them of what they've done.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and it's. I'm old enough to know. I got excited when we got dial up and AOL and hearing that dial up in the tone Yeah, we're not. We weren't as connected and my parents would have to come get me off the streets when I'm out playing. You don't see that today because of the social media and so forth. Whether it's good, bad or indifferent, it's just different. But we've and we're going down a rabbit hole already. But do you think today's, in your attached to this, and it's just curiosity Have these kids or this next generation lost touch with other human beings and their communication, as in being able to physically communicate?
Speaker 2:
I think it really depends on the student and the youth ministry that I'm in. Currently We have 25 to 40 student youth group and the students love to be connected with one another. We used to gather one of the big things that we saw during COVID when we had no human connection because it was all online digital Zoom, skype Teams. They long for that in-person connection, they long for those relationships and we'll provide a little bit of that during that season of isolation And, i would say, technological change, because a lot of stuff changed during that time. But I think this generation longs for it And if they don't understand how to connect, we can step up and show them how to do it properly.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, very true, and do you think that's lacking, where older generations aren't showing them how to do that?
Speaker 2:
I think there's definitely a gap in that. It's so hard to eat at workers. It's always changing, there's people cycling out, there's very little longevity. I want to say, because I almost want to say, it's not this current younger generation, it's just like that in between generation millennials probably, i would say where it's job hopping, career hopping, church hopping Everybody's changing so quickly. I like to bring it up that the youth was with our youth group for 30 plus years. My wife youth pastor was with their youth, or actually I think she's still with their youth group, so that's 30, 35 plus years. We moved to a new church. We've gone through over five youth pastors in the last seven years. It's just like there's this constant change in that millennial, gen X generation, where I think there's this discontent to keep moving and keep changing rather than to just stay planted somewhere.
Speaker 1:
Man, we could keep on going down this rabbit hole. I don't know if this is something you want to keep talking, but I guess that could lead us and we'll come back to that. Is what got you into blogging, what started, and tell the listeners a little bit about your blogging and what you talk about.
Speaker 2:
All right. So that's a great story on my end. I was really discontent, unhappy of being in the retail world. I was working for Family Christian. I worked for Target Circuit City.
Speaker 1:
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:
And Family Christian's gone. Oh, is it me? Did I help destroy these companies? No, i was just a retail associate there, so it wasn't me. But I felt a lot of disconnects, discontent. Circuit City I saw some of the leadership. They were taking naps in the warehouse storage bays. I don't know, i was taking a nap as a leader, but do it the right way, because we all need to be blessed. But then I got into the blogging because I was at Family Christian on my lunch break. I wanted to learn and grow books because Family Christian had books all over the place and they had a great business selection of books. I picked up Dan Miller's 48 Knees to the Work You Love. I don't know if you've heard of that, ryan, i see your shake in your head.
Speaker 1:
Oh yes.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, and that book completely transformed my life. It showed me that I had skills and that there was just more potential in me. So I read the book, read it again and began implementing some of the things and going. you know what I've got at this point? probably 10 years of leadership experience in the youth ministry. It was like sharing some of these insights and helping people to grow and make more leaders.
Speaker 1:
And that evolved into movies. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:
Yes, And along that journey, thanks for bringing that up. So I actually used movies once a week to promote the leadership lessons that are being taught in move. And so along this journey, I actually cut out entertained. I stopped listening to music, stopped watching TV shows, movies because a lot of people or a lot of leadership, personal development movies, TV shows, music that's all jump food for the mind. And so I was like, okay, I want to be successful, I want to do things right, So I cut it all out.
Speaker 2:
Then I was like this doesn't make me happy. And then I'm like wait, I heard that her chip and power stories stick and stats don't. And so I was like, wait, movies, they're just giant stories. There are modern day fables, are parables And if we watch them with the right mindset, we can learn and grow from them. And so then real leadership developed. And I've really enjoyed this journey, this portion of the journey, and helping people see the leadership lessons in movies and helping them also helping leaders also translate those movies into ways that they can talk and share with their people.
Speaker 1:
I've got to ask the question how long and this is generic, because I struggle with this too How long did it take for your reels and what you're putting out to start sticking with people? Because you're not talking about a sexy topic like TikTok or Instagram or anything like that, where people want to be chasing the Joneses for their bucks. You're talking about life changing stuff. that is deep. Was it a struggle at first to let people get eyeballs on it?
Speaker 2:
It was a slow build. I think I happened at the right time as a lot of people were looking for the leadership in personal development materials at least 15 years since I started blogging And with the Dan Millers and Michael Hyatt's and Pat Flynn's all talking about blogging and personal growth and personal development, it was that perfect store And I got into a good group of people interested in those topics. Those people and helping to share each other's contact help grow my blog. And then when I started doing the movie thing, that's when it really started to take off And that's when I started pushing, doing even harder for those. It was like if these posts are bringing in five to 10 times more eyeballs than what a regular post is, this is what I should be looking to do And it's changed the trajectory of the blog.
Speaker 1:
So what were these movies like? Can you give some background of how they started and what they've transformed or morphed in today?
Speaker 2:
No, the blog post changed, not the movies.
Speaker 1:
Okay, sorry, but the blog post changed. But are you adding video or is it just you're using the acronym of reels and it's still blogging.
Speaker 2:
No, it's still blogging. I'm just using instead of real, like R-E-A-L yeah. I'm calling the movie leadership lessons real R-E-L leadership. Got it? It's hey, leadership from the movies.
Speaker 1:
Got it. So do you use any type of video whatsoever with your blogs, or is it just all words?
Speaker 2:
Copy or write. I don't Okay. I do share a trailer and sometimes if the studios have shared a clip from the movie that relates to the leadership lesson or a leadership lesson that I'm sharing for that movie, I will pull that out. But I don't wanna get hit with one of those finds from the movie associations. I've heard it's nasty.
Speaker 1:
Probably not a good thing. Let's talk about one of the examples of what you're. Is there a recent blog or one that you wanna talk about that we can go into detail about?
Speaker 2:
So today's Monday, july 10th, and it's Monday, mondays are the days I post these leadership lessons from movies, okay, and I don't know if you've heard of the movie Air.
Speaker 1:
Air like from Disney Air.
Speaker 2:
No Air the Michael Jordan Oh true story.
Speaker 1:
That's on Amazon. Okay, it's on Amazon.
Speaker 2:
Prime. Now It was in the theaters. I had this one in my back pocket in case I didn't have a movie to post about or didn't get to the theater. This was one of those weekends where time got by me, so I used this, and Air was a movie talking about one of the Nike executives pursuit of Michael Jordan before he became famous, and, as such, this movie's just full of lessons. One of the lessons I pulled out was that pivot. I don't know if you know this, but do you know what Nike was originally known for? Running shoes.
Speaker 1:
Yes, running shoes. I've read Phil Knight's autobiography So I had to go back and recollect it and remember him selling shoes out of the back of his car And he went to Japan, and how he got the deal. I'm in parts of it.
Speaker 2:
Yup, they were known for running shoes. The business was doing well, but it wasn't doing great And they had I'm scared to pronounce his last name, because my last name's, sonny Vicarth, was the person who pursued Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
He saw this potential And he was so frustrated He was like why am I only beget? why am I only given this limited? take a look at Converse, or okay, i think of the other big name shoe company, what Companies? what Kuma? No, adidas, adidas. Adidas was the other big one in the mood in the air And they were pursuing all of these potential upcoming basketball stars And Sonny's, like I've got I think it was like 25,000. I mean, it was a very small number, 250,000. And it had to be split between five players. Okay, and he's like how do I entice anybody to sign? And he's like all of these other companies that have transitioned to basketball, let's do this, let's make this pivot. It was a hard sell and eventually Phil Light got on board along with the other people at Nike, and they pivoted from they still do running shoes I'm a runner, oh yeah, they're big business now basketball shoes. And so they made that pivot. They've made more money off of basketball shoes than they ever dreamed of making money off of running shoes.
Speaker 1:
So what are the lessons in here?
Speaker 2:
One pivot Yep. You win some and you lose some. Sonny was a gambler. He made them add choices. He won big on bats on basketball games. He knew his stuff. He won one One Who used this. Then he'd win again. So you win some, you lose some. You just gotta learn how to accept those wins and losses.
Speaker 1:
So how do we translate the wins and losses to leadership And maybe even life? Because we struggle as human beings with losses and failure.
Speaker 2:
I think we just have to become comfortable with it, because if you want your business to truly succeed, there's gonna be times where you have to put yourself out on a limb. You've gotta make this choice. that could fail The basketball thing could have failed for Nike But it didn't. It's a but. if you lose, you take a look at your loss. you go, okay, cause this loss. What things could we have done better And what things can we do differently next time? It's all about examining the loss when you lose And then the next time you go on with a better mindset. you have to be able to see what you can do and what you should do.
Speaker 1:
I can tell you from being a two-time failure at entrepreneurship, small business ownership, whatever those losses back in the day were really tough to swallow, but if you asked me today, i would never give them up because I learned a lot about myself. But I learned a lot about how I need to change my perspective on life And I joke about it. But part of my passion projects are these podcasts. But I also put out some short reels on videos and stuff like the talk about taking change head on or dealing with failure, and you'd be amazed I must be over the right target when people start basically bad-mouthing me because I don't know anything about change or failure And I'm like, wow man, you just clearly don't know my story. But anyhow, we struggle with it. And I don't get why we struggle with failure, because it's all part of that journey. How are you supposed to learn if everything is served up on a silver platter?
Speaker 2:
But what are we taught in school?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that's true, we're giving these grades telling us how well we did. If we don't get an A or a B, you've got to get suited. You need to prove, you need to do better. How did you learn from this? How did you grow from this lower grade? Why do you choose that answer? Instead, it's you're stupid or you need to go and study more. You know, sometimes we just need to examine how we made these choices. real or right answer, or the better answer was I think it starts in our grade schools. sadly, we promote this mindset that failure is bad and that we have to always produce and always get better.
Speaker 1:
But do you think school also is tied into and this is just my thought process, because it translates into I'm in real estate. Real estate development has a lot of regulations and you have to test for certain things. It's memorization. All we're doing is memorizing stuff. It's not truly learning the aspects of a topic. It's memorizing so you can pass a test.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, there's that too. You can read a book, you can memorize it, but do you really know it? Yeah, pids, yeah, i think it's just an easy way to make test these their place in front of us, or just to make things easy for the person judging from the outside, because they're not in it anymore, but when we get to, when we have challenges or setbacks, that's really where we define ourselves and how we can better ourselves.
Speaker 1:
I guess the best way to look at it is can you take that failure, challenge, whatever, find the learning aspects or the learning pieces of that and then apply it to your life and move forward? And it seems like we don't do that because we immediately, unfortunately, go back and reflect on the failure and just keep on beating ourselves up. And you can't keep on beating yourself up with those failures because you're not going to change or you're not going to improve yourself, and that just leads to people being depressed and everything else in between. It's like, how do we get people to really embrace failure and challenges? That's where I'm at And that's some of the messages I put out, and it's a struggle for me to put that message out because people think that it's crazy that I embrace failure. It's like, how am I? also, am I going to learn?
Speaker 2:
You think about it. When we were babies, how did we learn to walk? Yeah, we failed, we failed.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
We failed and we failed. The good fails is how we put that one foot in front of the other And we don't do that as we get older. We don't cheer it on and go see your mom and dad with father. Yeah, good job, ryan. Look at the stuff you took after falling like 10 times.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
No, it's all you You've been taking that Your failure? No, you're not, You're just in the learning process. I think we have to remind ourselves and reframe that failure into a way of going. No, it's just that learning step, It's that process that we grow and change and improve from. And if we can get that through our heads, if we can get rid of all that programming that we've had, that failure is bad, that even that challenge is bad. Imagine what would happen. I think our businesses would skyrocket, would take more risk, would take more challenge and would see organizations change, would see profits increase, would see employees more happy. It's all because it can all change if we're willing to say, hey, let's take this risk, And if you fail, we take a look at it and go why? Now let's see if we can fix it. What do we need to do to make this right? Just like when we were learning to walk.
Speaker 1:
Amen to all that, because that's truly what we actually need. So your blogging is are you in coaching too, or are you just blogging?
Speaker 2:
Yep, I do coaching For three coaching packages one base for church leaders, one base for business leaders. What's the third one? Let me, I should have had this up.
Speaker 1:
It's all right. It's all right.
Speaker 2:
I just go with the flow.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, i go with the flow. So, for the people that you're coaching in the leadership space, whether it be church, business, whatever, what are some common themes that you see in, maybe the top two or the top three of themes that you see, and then how you can help those leaders solve them?
Speaker 2:
One of the challenges is communication with their employees. If you've ever been in an executive meeting, you know how executives speak. They talked about KPIs and this and that And all these words that The average employee has, and then they go hey guys, we have this KPI that we want you to hit. They're just staring at them. we want it.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
And rather than speaking in terms that they can understand and relate to. So I help leaders movies and go hey, here's the scene in this movie, here's what's happened, this is what I'm talking about. Now, let's go do this. Or hey, do you understand what a KPI is now? And things start to. The other thing is just what is it Pull?
Speaker 1:
that up. So when I know communication is a problem because my prior life I ran call centers, collection agencies, any financial instrument I touch but when you have so many people in a center it becomes a problem And communication gets I call it chopped off because you get it from the original person then it goes all the way down multiple levels. But if you're not using the right language, how are your frontline employees gonna be able to react or be able to work more effectively towards it if you're not actually explaining it properly? And that's business 101.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, the longer people are in leadership positions, they forget that, because the people that they're talking to speak their language, but they don't speak the language of the people that they're leading.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, And you do get removed. In my prior life and being in that, I was running two 3000 people overseeing them And all my job was to run was meeting. The meeting is I'm a people person. I wanna lead people and really didn't get to do that. So I know that problem, I lived it. And you just have to be in touch with your employees and understand exactly what you're trying to accomplish and convey those messages or those goals to them in a basically in words that they understand. But you also have to reinforce it and have those contact points with them, Otherwise it's failure right from the get go.
Speaker 2:
It's so hard, but it's something that we've got to get right as leaders. We've gotta learn how to speak. They've learned how to be fluent in multiple languages. To hold that, hey, if you can speak more than English, you have a better chance of success, especially if you're doing business international. If you can speak the language of multiple different generations or even socioeconomic people groups, you're gonna build relationships with these people. That wouldn't be possible if they can't understand you and you can't understand them.
Speaker 1:
And that's gotta be tough because as you get more generations out there, being able to relate to them and understand exactly how they communicate and what works best for them, that's a lot of work. That is a lot of work.
Speaker 2:
It is, but leadership is a lot of work. It is. Leaders do the hard things, and that's just one of the things that we've gotta work on and learn how to improve the part.
Speaker 1:
So do you truly take the movies and then sit down with these coaching clients and then go through the actual learning and the leadership points that you can pull out of them? And that's how you're coaching or working with your clients?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that's some of it. I do that a lot in front of groups. I've done so. I'm a big comic nerd too, but movies and comics go hand in hand. And so I've done presentation of Comic Con crowds where I've walked through four or five different scenes and movies and was like I've actually shown us clip and gone. Hey, can any of you guys tell me what you just saw here, how you can become a better leader through it? And a lot of times you'll just get those blanks and go on, i don't see anything. Then I'll replay the clip, walk them through.
Speaker 2:
Even a 30 second to two minute clip can have multiple leadership principles in it. And then I'll be like I'll tell them look at the point here, do you see what happened? And they're like oh, oh, my goodness, yeah, so there's a scene in Wonder Woman where she's, they're on the front lines in the war. All of the soldiers are scared to death. And then there's I haven't watched it in a while There was somebody that was hurt. It was a child or an older, like a grandma, and everybody's walking past her. They're not caring. Wonder Woman walks by her, sees that she's hurting, takes the time to see what she needs, helps her and then goes back out to the front lines And it's oh, that's right. We can't just walk past the wounded in our organizations, these people, they're blood, sweat and tears for us. What are we doing to help them, other than just to paycheck That deeper connection and being able?
Speaker 1:
to convey that That's the human touch. But do you and we're getting close here and I'm gonna run this back through and get us tied this up in a nice little bow Do you think technology also has some of the has created some of these challenges in leadership?
Speaker 2:
Honestly, I think technology can create that stronger bond with people And I think that's the key to this That stronger bond with people. Growing up I really wasn't. I didn't like school, i didn't like being around people, but, like when I found technology you mentioned AOL and the Dial of Connection. You ever AOL instant messenger? Oh yeah, that was the gene. I connected with so many people on there And that was living my best life at that point because I found this community of people that were like me.
Speaker 2:
Or even recently, probably eight, 10 years ago, john A Cuff launched the start experiment and a couple of other experiments. He's an author, does these really cool things And I connected with this. There were thousands of people that joined his experiment But that then transitioned into a real life experience where now every Saturday I get together with three other guys that were connected because of technology. So if we're aware of how to use technology and how to connect in person, i should say I meet with these guys in person. Now It started off all online, transitioned to in person relationships, so technology can be that to connect and grow and build those relationships That people are like. You can't do that with technology. I say yes, you can.
Speaker 1:
You can, but that's where we'll run this through and get it going. But that's where we struggle. As human beings, we use technology, we get lazy. But you've taken it to another step and created a community or a tribe, whatever you want to call it. But you've taken a step further and said OK, now we're going to come to the real world And you're and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're a very rare person to be out there, because most people just want to stay on the other side of their phone, and that's where they want to be. That's how they use technology. It's instant gratification, it's not work.
Speaker 2:
There's that. But I think it's just because a lot of people haven't been taught how to do it, how to make that transition. You're right, i agree, and through my blogging career I've also had people reach out to, they connected with me through my blog. They're like, hey, you're in the same area, i am, and they've reached out to me and we've become friends in person. So it's, i think people are Scared of being rejected, if that makes sense. They're scared of, hey, if I reach out to somebody, especially in person, how, what happens if they say no?
Speaker 2:
But the truth is, we're all relational, we all want People to interact With us, to hang out with, and I think the more that we take those small steps and it are OK with that, a failure of people saying no We can grow from that technology side that Hey, i'm hiding behind the screen, to being, hey, i'm in front of you face to face. But even then, take a look at us now. We're doing this through technologies, through a restream, yep, but it's a connection, it's a week. I've got to know you a little bit better. You've got to know me a little The better you're away from me. Yeah, and I think, even through technology, if they don't meet in person, people don't meet in person. There's still those connections that get formed in those relationships that can be built upon as long as we're intentional.
Speaker 1:
Exactly, i like that And that's a great way to wrap this up intentional. That's the best place to be. Is got to be intentional about it And we struggle with that And we could go down a whole another conversation with that, but we're wrapping it up here. We're coming to the end of this podcast. Guys, where is the best place everyone can get ahold of you?
Speaker 2:
My blog. It's JM Lollonde L-A-L-O-N-D-Ecom. I'm there three days a week sharing new content with you guys. You can find me on Facebook, twitter, linkedin. I'm always willing to connect with you, make new friends. And yeah, i'm an email And that's joettjmlollondecom. I'll reply to you, send me an email, test it out And I'll take the Bob Gunn off of the email. He puts his phone number in his book. I put my email out there everywhere.
Speaker 1:
I will link to your website in the podcast show notes, So we'll definitely have that. And then is that would be your website the best place for coaching clients to come and reach you also.
Speaker 2:
Yep, There's a link on my website on all the pages my coaching. You can click on that and contact me through there.
Speaker 1:
Awesome, sir. Thank you very much for coming on. It's been an honor, It's been a great conversation And very insightful. What you're doing, but how you're doing it, it's very unique And I think that could help a lot of people out there.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, thank you, ryan. It's a pleasure to be on your show, to be sharing with your audience. It's a pleasure, and I just think you're on me the time. Thank you, sir.
